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FridgeFreezer
28.11.2008, 13:22
Greetings! I have not posted for a while so I thought I would share some pictures from our latest "play day" (we do not have enough space in the UK to do expeditions like you can).

We rented "Slab Common", a site used by the army to drive tanks and practice heavy recovery. I think it was also used in a James Bond movie where he drives a hovercraft (Die Another Day).

Here is an old picture that shows the things you find in the site:
http://www.fuddymuckers.co.uk/gallery/slab_07/IMG_0042_web.jpg

This is our events officer stuck after 5 minutes :laughing: the sand looks the same all the way along the track but this bit is very soft!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/3053942256_a93150c0dc.jpg

A friend gets his Dakar stuck (this is built from an old Range Rover):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/3053944082_4742ac5cd7.jpg
The car in the background is a DLander, built on a Discovery with a glass fibre Freelander bodyshell and roll cage.

FridgeFreezer
28.11.2008, 13:23
I think you know this car :p it now has Vepsskii Les stickers as well as Ladoga stickers.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/3053119711_61dd7d6ce0.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3053954382_7400563767.jpg

The DLander again:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/3053950428_989f2b4792.jpg

FridgeFreezer
28.11.2008, 13:24
This is my car - a "normal" Freelander - because of the usual Freelander faults I removed the rear propshaft, so driving with just front-wheel drive (and very bad tyres) was challenging!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/3053951834_6407108494.jpg

Another glass-fibre creation, the yellow car is an Ibex:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/3053957564_7725ba3766.jpg

Although we are a "Land Rover" club, we allow all vehicles in - but we do laugh more when they get stuck ;)
http://fuddymuckers.co.uk/gallery/08_11_23_Slab/web_IMG_1866.JPG

There are more pictures at lr4x4.com (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=33663), and some video of Mouse (the proto) on youtube here (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OVtkbvzmg).

Avtokosmos
30.11.2008, 23:39
Greetings John!:happy: I very glad to see you on our site, after your long absence. I see you cheerfully spend time and find new places for off-road driving . The track is remarkable. It is especially interesting that there is a military technology. You have on what to look during driving. Great to see "Mouse" in a dirt! It's cool that you could go on Vepskii wood. Unfortunately I was busy a lot and there was no time to keep your the company at these competitions. Did you have bought a new Freelander?

FridgeFreezer
01.12.2008, 02:30
The freelander is not new, it is a 1998 one that I was given because the engine was dead. Now I use it to drive to work as the 109 uses too much fuel :p

FridgeFreezer
01.12.2008, 02:34
Here is some more military stuff:
http://fuddymuckers.co.uk/gallery/08_11_23_Slab//web_IMG_1875.JPG
http://fuddymuckers.co.uk/gallery/08_11_23_Slab//web_IMG_1876.JPG
http://fuddymuckers.co.uk/gallery/08_11_23_Slab//web_IMG_1877.JPG

Avtokosmos
02.12.2008, 01:22
I congratulate on acquisition.
And how s Freelander on passableness and on technical characteristics?
I have heard about it many bad responses.
A lot of them that it is frequent tumble down on spare parts.:sad: Is it true?

Avtokosmos
02.12.2008, 01:26
Nice pictures!
Is this technics costs thrown or used in any military purposes?

FridgeFreezer
03.12.2008, 21:49
I must say I am happy with my Freelander but I think it may not be so good for Russia - it is more like a car than a 4x4. The first ones had several bad problems - the head gasket on the petrol engines was very unreliable, the 4x4 system was geared incorrectly so it seized up and broke expensive parts, and some electrical things were not so good. Now they have a very bad reputation, people will not buy the petrol engine ones so they are a very good bargain!

For me (driving to work on the road & sometimes driving a bit off-road) it is great, they are cheap to buy now (UKP 1000) and the new head gasket fixes the engine problems. If you are not driving off-road you can remove the rear propshaft instead of fixing VCU/IRD/Diff, that saves lots of expensive repairs. Some people do use freelanders for "serious" off-roading, with traction control they are very good - it is nearly as good as having locking differentials on a "normal" Land Rover, and the Freelander is lighter.

Many people in the UK are putting a Freelander body on a Range Rover or Discovery chassis because both are 2540mm wheelbase, there are many old RR/Disco with rusty bodywork and there are many Freelanders with broken engine/gearbox :p so it is a cool project, maybe less than UKP 1500 in total!

I do not quite understand your question about "techniks", I guess you mean the tanks & other vehicles? They are used by the army to train soldiers how to recover (tow) heavy vehicles, even if they are damaged in battle. I think some of them have been used before to test other things and were damaged (shot, blown up, crashed) or used for spare parts. They now sit on this site all the time.

There is some video from past trips here:
YouTube Video 1 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju2eCi1qszY&feature=related)
YouTube Video 2 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq9fTvrwpAU&feature=related)
Sometimes the AWDC (All Wheel Drive Club) have "heavy" events for trucks & tanks (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qk2eGpyeWTQ&feature=related):wassat: some classic machinery comes to play.

Avtokosmos
04.12.2008, 21:33
In Russia Freelanders have a bad reputation. Transnission and redusers are breaks more often.

Avtokosmos
04.12.2008, 21:43
I have looked video. Very fine!
It is a pity that in Russia we haven't similar competitions.:sad:
As I see, this truck is similar with tractor. Or may be I am mistaken?

FridgeFreezer
05.12.2008, 01:37
The truck in the video is an old (1960's) Scammel, (http://scammellregister.co.uk/) an old British manufacturer. They are popular with collectors, and they made some cool trucks (early tank transporters, heavy recovery vehicles, off-road trucks).

I think in Russia you have the perfect place for an off-road truck competition, and the perfect trucks!

Avtokosmos
06.12.2008, 00:44
Thanks for the link! I have never heard about this trucks!
You are absolutely right. In Russia a lot of place for trucks off-road competition. But serious teams took part in Dakkar competition. :sad:And also I know about international rally sport-check "Transoriental"which spend every summer.:happy: It looks like "Ladoga". But it starts from Palace square in Saint Petersburg and ended in Pekin. And I think it is a bit serious than Ladoga.
Here is the link!
http://www.transorientale.com/

By the way, what about Ladoga trophy in 2009?
Are you take part in it?

FridgeFreezer
10.12.2008, 12:35
By the way, what about Ladoga trophy in 2009?
Are you take part in it?
Yes - we are coming in Proto again, and some friends are doing Tourist class.

FridgeFreezer
14.12.2008, 02:07
In Russia Freelanders have a bad reputation. Transnission and redusers are breaks more often.

I think this may be because of your roads - in western Europe almost every road is smooth tarmac, so cars never have to take bumps like they do in Russia.

I notice cars in Russia are built differently to cars in Europe, often manufacturers fit different wheels & tyres and the suspension looks higher to handle the bumps.

Also - no-one buys a Land Rover for its reliability :-D in the UK Land Rovers are like Jeep in USA, they were the only 4x4 available for a long time so they are the "default" thing if someone wants a 4x4. There are lots of dealers, parts are (usually) cheap. Outside the UK this is not true, you can see when LR sell in the USA they say they are "premium" cars, like a Rolls Royce or Ferrari.

sasha2001
14.12.2008, 09:19
Hi FridgeFreezer!! from New Zealand, Yes freelanders do not have a good reputAtion here in New Zealand with bad elelctrics etc, Landrovers are a love or hate thing. Toyota Landcruiser Series 70 is percieved to be better than a defender (only because its cheaper to buy) I know a coal mine brought 10 new ones with the V8 engine one year ago, already two new engines in them!!, the difference is that Toyota here will not admit to failings, they replace parts like for my friend, asked to keep for a day when servicing saying they were busy, he came back early, they were replacing the cylinder head, it was a warranty problem but they never admitted it unlike Landrover, quite common apprently, My 2001 td5 had a couple of turbo senors go and I thought the ERCU was gone but looking at the internet I fived it by running a new earth wire instead of a big bill
I see you go to St Petersburg, very nice!!!, I will have to look one year, my wife is russian and we bring the children back quite often to grandma, look like you can go anywhere to "play" in FWD not like our countries!!!
I hope you do not fall vixtum to the russian TRradition of "Vodka hostage taking" and ar able to compete and not sidelined by tremendous kindness we all recieve in russia

sasha2001
14.12.2008, 09:24
Also for interest another british four wheel drive
called an Austain Champ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-biy61mSgU

http://www.austinchamp.com/

there was another one also with a rolls royce engine? mad for the army but never really sold, I cannot remember the name at present
Can translate anything for our Russian friends if they want

sasha2001
14.12.2008, 10:23
The truck in the video is an old (1960's) Scammel, (http://scammellregister.co.uk/) an old British manufacturer. They are popular with collectors, and they made some cool trucks (early tank transporters, heavy recovery vehicles, off-road trucks).

I think in Russia you have the perfect place for an off-road truck competition, and the perfect trucks!

I remember it was the austin Gypsy

there are some here in New Zealand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Gypsy

FridgeFreezer
14.12.2008, 14:02
The Gipsy & Champ were early competitors to Land Rover but they stopped when the British motor industry was nationalised (British Leyland / BMC) and it was decided that Land Rover would be the only 4x4 they made.

They did make some with the Rolls Royce B40 (I think) engine, they also made some Land Rover Series 1's with them as the army had the idea to use the same engine everywhere. The UK magazines have written about it a few times (I think they print the same article every 2-3 years!)

A lot of people say they were better (more advanced suspension etc.) but the army trialled them and found they didn't perform any better than a Land Rover but were much more complicated.

Haka
15.12.2008, 00:24
The Gipsy & Champ were early competitors to Land Rover but they stopped when the British motor industry was nationalised (British Leyland / BMC) and it was decided that Land Rover would be the only 4x4 they made.

They did make some with the Rolls Royce B40 (I think) engine, they also made some Land Rover Series 1's with them as the army had the idea to use the same engine everywhere. The UK magazines have written about it a few times (I think they print the same article every 2-3 years!)

A lot of people say they were better (more advanced suspension etc.) but the army trialled them and found they didn't perform any better than a Land Rover but were much more complicated.

Hi FreedgeFreezer!
Nice pictures! Is it a real military poligon area?

Avtokosmos
15.12.2008, 00:35
I think this may be because of your roads - in western Europe almost every road is smooth tarmac, so cars never have to take bumps like they do in Russia.

I notice cars in Russia are built differently to cars in Europe, often manufacturers fit different wheels & tyres and the suspension looks higher to handle the bumps.

Also - no-one buys a Land Rover for its reliability :-D in the UK Land Rovers are like Jeep in USA, they were the only 4x4 available for a long time so they are the "default" thing if someone wants a 4x4. There are lots of dealers, parts are (usually) cheap. Outside the UK this is not true, you can see when LR sell in the USA they say they are "premium" cars, like a Rolls Royce or Ferrari.

Strange! I think that our roads ideal for heavy tracks:to_become_senile:.
And there are a lot of place to organize competitions on it.

Avtokosmos
15.12.2008, 00:40
Yes - we are coming in Proto again, and some friends are doing Tourist class.

We try to invite you at Ladoga! And maybe if you come earlier we organize some excursions for you and make some trips in historic theme around ancient sights. :-D

Avtokosmos
15.12.2008, 00:53
Also for interest another british four wheel drive
called an Austain Champ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-biy61mSgU

http://www.austinchamp.com/

there was another one also with a rolls royce engine? mad for the army but never really sold, I cannot remember the name at present
Can translate anything for our Russian friends if they want

Hi sasha2001!
Funny video!
A have never heard about this car before! It looks like US "Wheeles" a little.
Please can you say some word about this wonderful military car?

FridgeFreezer
15.12.2008, 02:26
Hi FreedgeFreezer!
Nice pictures! Is it a real military poligon area?

Sorry but I don't understand "poligon", I think it may have translated wrong :unsure:

sasha2001
15.12.2008, 08:13
Sorry but I don't understand "poligon", I think it may have translated wrong :unsure:

hI fridgedreezer, Poligon is like "weapons testing area"

sasha2001
15.12.2008, 08:14
In english or russian?

sasha2001
15.12.2008, 10:26
Hi sasha2001!
Funny video!
A have never heard about this car before! It looks like US "Wheeles" a little.
Please can you say some word about this wonderful military car?
in english or по-русски

FridgeFreezer
15.12.2008, 14:04
hI fridgedreezer, Poligon is like "weapons testing area"

Aaa :) yes this is a military testing area - but I do not think they test big weapons here, it is for driving tanks and towing dead / stuck vehicles (why there are the dead trucks everywhere).

They have other places for "live fire" testing, the most famous is Salisbury Plain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_plain) which you can drive on the tracks when they are not firing! O_O

Avtokosmos
19.12.2008, 20:10
Sorry but I don't understand "poligon", I think it may have translated wrong :unsure:

I translate you!
"Poligon"- it's a territory leased at military men.

Avtokosmos
19.12.2008, 20:14
in english or по-русски

May be in english? Because it's international forum.:)

Avtokosmos
19.12.2008, 20:18
Aaa :) yes this is a military testing area - but I do not think they test big weapons here, it is for driving tanks and towing dead / stuck vehicles (why there are the dead trucks everywhere).

They have other places for "live fire" testing, the most famous is Salisbury Plain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_plain) which you can drive on the tracks when they are not firing! O_O

And they testing big weapons near Stonehenge?O_O

FridgeFreezer
20.12.2008, 05:15
And they testing big weapons near Stonehenge?O_O

Not very near it, as you can guess Stonehenge & many other sites around the area are protected. Salisbury plain has sites like that, farm land, but also a lot of military land. The areas where they do "live fire" exercises and weapons testing are not too near civilisation!

sasha2001
21.12.2008, 08:56
May be in english? Because it's international forum.:)

regarding the Austin champ you can read about them at the links below (in english)


http://www.austinchamp.com/

WE had a very different car made here in New Zealand which may not be known to many people
called a Trekka

see this link : http://www.trekka.co.nz/
It was built because New Zealand has severe import restictions on cars and we has our own assembly lines here so they built this car here, one is preserved in the auckland museum and several are still on the road.
Her it is coming up to our Christmas (25 декабря) and we will have our holidays and New Year
So from New Zealand Merry Christmas and a happy New Year
We will celebrate russian Christmas( 7 января) also!!! with a barbeque and Shasliks
:russian:
:drinks:

FridgeFreezer
02.01.2009, 20:31
Some more video from our latest play day here (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2jpO1qCDJek) 8-)

Haka
04.01.2009, 01:10
Not very near it, as you can guess Stonehenge & many other sites around the area are protected. Salisbury plain has sites like that, farm land, but also a lot of military land. The areas where they do "live fire" exercises and weapons testing are not too near civilisation!

I think it's very good and picturesque area for testing!

Haka
04.01.2009, 01:13
Some more video from our latest play day here (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2jpO1qCDJek) 8-)

I'm sorry FridgeFreezer, I also want to see this video, but I can't open this video. :(
Please can you advise me what to do?

FridgeFreezer
05.01.2009, 02:56
I'm sorry FridgeFreezer, I also want to see this video, but I can't open this video. :(
Please can you advise me what to do?
That is my fault - I used music that was copyrighted and YouTube block the video in some countries :( I have now uploaded the same video without music:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8BEw4nUpz48

Haka
05.01.2009, 21:08
That is my fault - I used music that was copyrighted and YouTube block the video in some countries :( I have now uploaded the same video without music:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8BEw4nUpz48

Wow, it's fantastic!
You are extreme British guys! :-D
Thanks for video. Is it a military area? I saw something like a tank on the first seconds.
And what does the mean a word SHIRE in the name?

FridgeFreezer
06.01.2009, 03:34
Wow, it's fantastic!
You are extreme British guys! :-D
Thanks for video. Is it a military area? I saw something like a tank on the first seconds.
And what does the mean a word SHIRE in the name?

I'm glad you enjoyed it :-D - the site is the same one talked about before in this thread - it is a military tank driving & recovery practice area so there are many "dead" tanks and other heavy military vehicles there. I don't think it was "extreme" - we spend too much time just splashing through puddles :P especially when Mike has a passenger in the Tomcat, it has no doors so it's fun to see how wet you can make the passenger by driving past!

"Shire" is short for "Hampshire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampshire)" which is the county of England our club is in. Many English county names end with "Shire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire)", if you are familiar with J.R.R.Tolkien you can see that the Hobbits also came from "the Shire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_(Middle-earth))".

Avtokosmos
09.01.2009, 21:51
I'm glad you enjoyed it :-D - the site is the same one talked about before in this thread - it is a military tank driving & recovery practice area so there are many "dead" tanks and other heavy military vehicles there. I don't think it was "extreme" - we spend too much time just splashing through puddles :P especially when Mike has a passenger in the Tomcat, it has no doors so it's fun to see how wet you can make the passenger by driving past!

"Shire" is short for "Hampshire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampshire)" which is the county of England our club is in. Many English county names end with "Shire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire)", if you are familiar with J.R.R.Tolkien you can see that the Hobbits also came from "the Shire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_(Middle-earth))".

Hi John! Nice video.
I remeber this military tank on one of your photos. :-D

Avtokosmos
09.01.2009, 22:01
I'm glad you enjoyed it :-D - the site is the same one talked about before in this thread - it is a military tank driving & recovery practice area so there are many "dead" tanks and other heavy military vehicles there. I don't think it was "extreme" - we spend too much time just splashing through puddles :P especially when Mike has a passenger in the Tomcat, it has no doors so it's fun to see how wet you can make the passenger by driving past!

"Shire" is short for "Hampshire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampshire)" which is the county of England our club is in. Many English county names end with "Shire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire)", if you are familiar with J.R.R.Tolkien you can see that the Hobbits also came from "the Shire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shire_(Middle-earth))".

John, as I understand, all British county ended on "shire"?

FridgeFreezer
09.01.2009, 22:43
John, as I understand, all British county ended on "shire"?

Not all of them - you can see the full list here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_counties_of_England).

Avtokosmos
13.01.2009, 00:29
Big thanks John! :drinks:
I think also 2 or 3 lessons about aristocracy and I became a real British gentleman! :)