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Haka
07.12.2008, 01:04
Now as it is known the world economic crisis, it is very interesting, how it is reflected in a life in your countries? Tell, and I can tell as at us.

sasha2001
08.12.2008, 08:39
Hi we have a more severe crisis here in New Zealand in Rugby, we are not world champions!!, no sorry, what would you like to know?abour economics here etc, can answer in english or russian?
bye Simon

Haka
09.12.2008, 01:21
And at us in Russia, Rugby starts to blossom a little. Many teenagers start to take a great interest in this kind of sports. And about crisis not all so good. Many people fire. Small banks are closed. The supply of the goods from other countries has stopped...%-)

sasha2001
10.12.2008, 11:29
In english as is international forum, Here In New zealand crisis (for us began 18months ago)
Share market began to go down, house prices were going up and up and so nobody would buy them, then USA sub prime crisis began to affect banks, no banks here have collasped as they were not exposed to this crisis but began to lose money when house prices dropped, Nilk production prices dropped by 30%= 60% of farmers income so they do not buy cars , tractos etc, so people selling them lose their jobs, then they are not buying Tvs etc(we are a consumer society)likethe USA,so more people lose their jobs sonobody buys houses,so builder lose their jobs and it is a big circle of loss. Our new government has cut interest rates and we have have double the number of bureacrats as before who do nothing and cost money, they will slowly get rid of them!! ( I read even Lenin said" bureacrats will destroy the revolution!!!) Many people like doctors etc leave and go to Australia ( no problem for immigration there for New Zealand people)
we have three generations of people who our mainly socialist governments have said in effect
do not work so they do not, less and less people to support more people not working and older retired people!!
I think this is the same all over the world!
I read that Russia has problems when the oil price goes down as it is now!! I know from my wifes family what life is like in russia a bit more then most people and understand Russia a little, everything is the same just in a different language!!!
:):ok:

sasha2001
10.12.2008, 11:58
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Land-Rover/Defender/auction-173843695.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Land-Rover/Defender/auction-192634524.htm
Ladas!!!!!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Other/LADA/auction-168995952.htm

These are New Zealand dollars NOT US $ (green roubles!!)

I would love a Kamaz or Ural truck like the one In kolyma with the bristish actors ewan mcgregor
and Charlie Boorman used, I could use it to carry my Landrover 110 defender!!! :russian:
this is about where they were I think see google maps:
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=63.056691,145.85738&spn=0.032435,0.114498&z=13

Videos : see these links:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixof61Vg0HQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPep-KUMAYA&feature=related

sasha2001
10.12.2008, 12:05
sorry links to car sales will not open from this site?
try
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Land-Rover/Defender
and search from there
sorry for that
:unsure:

FridgeFreezer
10.12.2008, 18:51
I think the situation in the UK is summed up by these two:
John Bird & John Fortune on "Silly Money" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lWDdcD-1xoo)

sasha2001
10.12.2008, 22:56
yes about the same in New Zealand and how it all began in the USA with the subprime crisis
see:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJmTCYmo9g&feature=related

Russias Ogliarchs have suffered by being exposed to this and so russia suffers also by
needing to help these peoples whose fortunes have decreased from say 12 billion dollars
so say 8 Billion dollars Shmae for them but they will not suffer:)

Haka
12.12.2008, 00:30
In english as is international forum, Here In New zealand crisis (for us began 18months ago)
Share market began to go down, house prices were going up and up and so nobody would buy them, then USA sub prime crisis began to affect banks, no banks here have collasped as they were not exposed to this crisis but began to lose money when house prices dropped, Nilk production prices dropped by 30%= 60% of farmers income so they do not buy cars , tractos etc, so people selling them lose their jobs, then they are not buying Tvs etc(we are a consumer society)likethe USA,so more people lose their jobs sonobody buys houses,so builder lose their jobs and it is a big circle of loss. Our new government has cut interest rates and we have have double the number of bureacrats as before who do nothing and cost money, they will slowly get rid of them!! ( I read even Lenin said" bureacrats will destroy the revolution!!!) Many people like doctors etc leave and go to Australia ( no problem for immigration there for New Zealand people)
we have three generations of people who our mainly socialist governments have said in effect
do not work so they do not, less and less people to support more people not working and older retired people!!
I think this is the same all over the world!
I read that Russia has problems when the oil price goes down as it is now!! I know from my wifes family what life is like in russia a bit more then most people and understand Russia a little, everything is the same just in a different language!!!
:):ok:



Absolutely agree with you , such situation now all over the world. Though if to approach to crisis from more philosophical point of view:umnik2: the society starts to degrade if in it is not present neither crises, nor wars Etc. certainly it is not absolutely good, but nevertheless various difficulties are by development. Under forecasts I heard that crisis should stop in the spring of 2009. I hope it not false hearing. I am very glad that you understand a life in Russia!:clapping: Therefore as many as it seems to me till now still reflect on Russia as about the country in which people go till now with bears on a lead:laughing:. Though we also speak in other language, it does not distinguish us from others, all of us people.:russian:

Haka
12.12.2008, 00:32
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Land-Rover/Defender/auction-173843695.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Land-Rover/Defender/auction-192634524.htm
Ladas!!!!!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Other/LADA/auction-168995952.htm

These are New Zealand dollars NOT US $ (green roubles!!)

I would love a Kamaz or Ural truck like the one In kolyma with the bristish actors ewan mcgregor
and Charlie Boorman used, I could use it to carry my Landrover 110 defender!!! :russian:
this is about where they were I think see google maps:
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=63.056691,145.85738&spn=0.032435,0.114498&z=13

Videos : see these links:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixof61Vg0HQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPep-KUMAYA&feature=related



Great videos! I see you like to travel a lot!:clapping:
By the way, who are you on this video?

Haka
12.12.2008, 00:41
I think the situation in the UK is summed up by these two:
John Bird & John Fortune on "Silly Money" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lWDdcD-1xoo)

Hi FridgeFreezer!
Please can you explain what you mean?

sasha2001
12.12.2008, 06:52
Hi, thanks I am not in the videos, they are two rich British actors (one was in star wars)
who did a motorcycle trip to Magdan, I would like to do the opposite way from Magadan to my wifes family in Ryazan
some ordinary people have done so from Australia see;

http://www.dreamers1.com/russia/Practicalities/Russia_Mongolia_Practicalities.htm
bye, :) Poka

sasha2001
12.12.2008, 08:00
see
http://www.blue-dunes.com/ Magadan to europe
http://motosyberia.com/photo_en.php photos around magadan etc

Haka
13.12.2008, 00:44
Nice photos and videos! Thanks.
I hope you can make this trip without any problems.
:)

FridgeFreezer
13.12.2008, 01:52
Hi FridgeFreezer!
Please can you explain what you mean?

These guys are political comedians in the UK, they do many of these "interviews" where one plays the part of a politician or a banker or whatever. That video shows the attitude of the bankers who caused this problem very accurately I think.

Haka
13.12.2008, 03:12
Oh! Thanks!
Now I understand your previous message.

sasha2001
13.12.2008, 10:15
Oh! Thanks!
Now I understand your previous message.

her are some photos of our New Zealand Landrover club outings including
a good drowning of a Defender 90 which got the owner a "rubber Duck" award

Haka
15.12.2008, 00:17
her are some photos of our New Zealand Landrover club outings including
a good drowning of a Defender 90 which got the owner a "rubber Duck" award

Beautisul pictures!O_O
On one of them I see old Land Rover.
This model is rare in Russia.
Please, if it's not hard for you, can you write this topic in Rusiian version в разделе путешествия и приключения. I think it will be interesting for other members of the forum! :ok:

sasha2001
24.12.2008, 02:43
http://avtokosmos.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=1283&page=4

Avtokosmos
25.12.2008, 00:35
Thanks! :-D

LsBob
27.12.2008, 09:34
Now as it is known the world economic crisis, it is very interesting, how it is reflected in a life in your countries? Tell, and I can tell as at us.

Here in Australia the impact has not yet been serious though its long term effect will depend on other countries namely India, China and the USA and their demand for our products. Our banks are more controlled by the Reserve Bank and gov regulations prohibit them from having more than a certain % of their funds in the more speculative markets, unlike America. The interest rates have dropped, bad news for investors but better news for home buyers. The value of shares has declined 30 to 50% the latter being the more speculative ones.
There was a very strong demand for our minerals so much so that the companies could not meet the demands, now that is starting to slow down but not to the extent that any of the coal or iron ore mines close down. Only some smaller mines working poorer ore have found now with the drop in mineral orices that the mine is now unecinomical to work.
Retail trade is still fairly strong though companies were bringing their sales forward earlier and the government gave some sections of the community a bonus payment in an attempt to increase demand.
No companies have been forced to close yet because of the drop in demand but time will tell.

Haka
27.12.2008, 22:16
Well at you not all so is sad, as in the countries adjoining to Russia прибалтики. I hope that crisis will avoid you. Thanks for so detailed answer.:)

LsBob
28.12.2008, 02:38
Also I forgot to mention that over the last few years there has been a very bad drought so our agricultural crops and sheep and cattle have suffered. These are one of our main export earners, so the rural sector is experiemcing a hard time. This spring some areas did not plant any grain crops as there was no rain. So farmers having been leaving the land but not as a result of the banks failing overseas. In the long term that may cause a reduce demand for our agricultural products.

how is it affecting the average person in the streets Haka?

Haka
04.01.2009, 00:58
Also I forgot to mention that over the last few years there has been a very bad drought so our agricultural crops and sheep and cattle have suffered. These are one of our main export earners, so the rural sector is experiemcing a hard time. This spring some areas did not plant any grain crops as there was no rain. So farmers having been leaving the land but not as a result of the banks failing overseas. In the long term that may cause a reduce demand for our agricultural products.

how is it affecting the average person in the streets Haka?

Please LsBob explane what you mean!
I badly understand your question!:(

LsBob
10.01.2009, 05:43
Hi Haka

Sorry for the late reply but I have been away to attend a wedding in Malaysia. To restate my question is ....with the current economic and financial problems affecting most of the world, what impact is it having on the average Russian family? Are banks closing down, have many industries been forced to close or are they managing to still operate but with less staff and less demand for their products? Has it affected the price you would pay for the basics, food, rent and similar.

Avtokosmos
30.01.2009, 23:21
Hi Haka

Sorry for the late reply but I have been away to attend a wedding in Malaysia. To restate my question is ....with the current economic and financial problems affecting most of the world, what impact is it having on the average Russian family? Are banks closing down, have many industries been forced to close or are they managing to still operate but with less staff and less demand for their products? Has it affected the price you would pay for the basics, food, rent and similar.

Hello LsBob! The most of small banks was already closed, salaries many times over cut down, to many people do not pay the salary on some months, the big part of workers at the large industrial enterprises and in large firms have dismissed, the prices for products have considerably increased, also grow up very high the prices for the supported cars, but the real estate which in Russia cost extremely expensively goes down in price. For last week on some roubles dollar exchange rates and euro have increased. A situation certainly not the best, but meanwhile and not so bad, as far as I know in the most of the countries of Europe, for example in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia etc. the situation is much worse rather than in Russia.

sasha2001
01.02.2009, 04:50
Hello LsBob! The most of small banks was already closed, salaries many times over cut down, to many people do not pay the salary on some months, the big part of workers at the large industrial enterprises and in large firms have dismissed, the prices for products have considerably increased, also grow up very high the prices for the supported cars, but the real estate which in Russia cost extremely expensively goes down in price. For last week on some roubles dollar exchange rates and euro have increased. A situation certainly not the best, but meanwhile and not so bad, as far as I know in the most of the countries of Europe, for example in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia etc. the situation is much worse rather than in Russia.
Here In New Zealand, we have had a "recession" for longer (begining 2008) and have been protected a little by having high proces for our farm products (diary milk etc) which have know gone down 40% so will affect everybody as there will be less money spend in the country, less goods produced, jobs lost etc, Interest rates for houses have dropped, Like Russia our houses are too expensive and slowly going down, we expect job losses here we have unemploment of 4.5%? expected to go to 8%, number of new and used cars sold has gone down 50% in one year But alcohol and food sales are still strong!!!!
New zealanders think they have it difficult but when I try to tell them how Russia was when the Rouble collasped in 1998 it is beyond there understanding!!!!
I am Lucky I have a no loan to the bank and a self employed Job in the Healthcare but my brother and two friends lost their jobs before Christmas

LsBob
01.02.2009, 07:36
Well so far none of the banks have collapsed though we now only have a few large banks not the small local ones. The mining industry is now reducing its work force but not in large numbers, some retail stores which were just making a profit are now finding it hard, some have closed but those stores which are better organised are still surviving but estimated future profits will be reduced. House prices are still high though the loan rate is now very low.
Currently there are some large bushfires in the southern regions and they are destroying houses and farms which along with the drought is not making it easy for the rural sector. They have had a lean few years. Also Australia was beaten by South Africa in the cricket for both the Test Matches and One day matches--- now that is causing problems!!

Avtokosmos
03.02.2009, 14:41
but my brother and two friends lost their jobs before Christmas

It's awfull.O_O Lot's of people looses their work now in Russia.

Avtokosmos
03.02.2009, 14:49
Well so far none of the banks have collapsed though we now only have a few large banks not the small local ones. The mining industry is now reducing its work force but not in large numbers, some retail stores which were just making a profit are now finding it hard, some have closed but those stores which are better organised are still surviving but estimated future profits will be reduced. House prices are still high though the loan rate is now very low.
Currently there are some large bushfires in the southern regions and they are destroying houses and farms which along with the drought is not making it easy for the rural sector. They have had a lean few years. Also Australia was beaten by South Africa in the cricket for both the Test Matches and One day matches--- now that is causing problems!!

It is necessary to hope that is fast the governments of the countries will find a way to leave so difficult world situation.